WDJD: Jesus Took Our Punishment


Isaiah 53

The lens makes all the difference.


Pastor Jenn

5 thoughts on “WDJD: Jesus Took Our Punishment

  1. Hi, Jen, I hope you’re well.

    I listened to most of your sermon. But I gave up 😦

    I am unable to accept the concept of a ‘wrathful’ god who ‘loves everybody’. The two concepts are antithetical, contradictory.

    I don’t ‘end up hating myself’ or ‘abusing others’ simply by not buying into the whole ‘god’ thing.

    And although I have to admit that I didn’t understand the complexity of your argument, I also have to own up to feeling more than a little uncomfortable about the mere fact that you make reference to ‘jews’ and ‘jewish people’. This alone underscores to me that the ‘holy writ’ to which you appear to adhere is outdated, ancient history — and it’s very dangerous, because it perpetuates unwarranted hatred and persecution.

    • Thanks for listening even to part of it, and for responding so frankly, friend. I agree that holding those two ideas in tension at least appears antithetical. Even that the ideas are dangerous and at least CAN (and demonstrably often do) perpetuate hatred and persecution.

      That was part of the point of the sermon, which is the penultimate one in a series of OTHER ways (besides penal substitutionary atonement) that Jesus’ death brings oneness between humans and God. By itself, this view is, in fact, deeply troubling and is at the root of a lot of church abuse in the current era, and likely much in previous ones. (This is what I meant by “end up hating ourselves” or “abusing others”–that doesn’t necessary happen if one doesn’t “buy into the whole ‘god’ thing.” It very frequently DOES happen if this is the only view of “the Atonement” that one holds.)

      However, ancient history does not necessarily mean outdated, and sometimes even dangerous things are the most life-giving when they are administered properly. It is certainly arguable that this teaching has by and large not been administered properly–at least not for a long time. But (and I can mostly only assert this from personal experience, others I know in whom I have seen this play out, and the biblical record, and not from objective scientific or philosophic proofs) it is a spiritual truth that what seems antithetical or at least paradoxical from a basic human framework and perspective can still in fact be true and even rationally accepted by the mind and heart of someone who has “passed through the looking glass,” as it were, into the deeper life of God. I’m not really sure how to say that in a way that makes any sense whatsoever and doesn’t sound snooty and superior. It certainly isn’t something I or anyone can claim as a personal achievement–it’s something God does. But I can’t retract or apologize for anything I’ve said here, either, because it’s as true as I’m able to see or articulate it at this time.

      I truly hope you’re well, too. I’m grateful to hear from you no matter what, and I always wish you peace.

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